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Advice to a Young Taliban – Part 2

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Made another long comment in response to a pro-taliban comment:
2/3 Swat refugee camps – TV One – May 7, 2009

Traitor mother fuckers….on behlaf of america killing its own people…!

I suppose you like it when these Takfiri/Wahhabi/Salafi groups kill civilians ? And consider the slightest variation as grounds for “Takfir” ?

Under what justification do you accept that ?

How are they different from the Kharijites ?

By the way Sufi Muhammed was NOT a Wahhabi but a Hanafi which explains his more moderate views (even though he was not qualified to issue fatwas – i.e. lacked the required training).

U.S. is culpable for non-recovery after Russia defeat – used them and discarded them. No “Marshall Plan” to rebuild them. No thank you.

Afghans for that matter bore it in stride – took it as “their fight”.

If the Soviets had been in power, one thing would have been a surety – most Afghans would have gotten an education.

However it WOULD have taken them away from their culture and tradition. And so perhaps that was not likely.

Taliban also became too confident and arrogant after their lightning success in Afghanistan.

They failed to account for the welfare of their “riaya” when threatened by the U.S. And we now see the result.

Second mistake they attacked Pakistan – a strategic mistake to stab the sanctuary they used and where their students studied.

Third mistake they listened to an outsider – Arabs who had NO interest in the long-term stability of Afghanistan or it’s “riaya”.

They took funding from the Arabs and became “thullay” to them.

They asked them for “fatwas” for decisions.

Thus they displayed poor strategy and lack of bother for their “riaya” and placed them below their allegiance to foreign fighters – these were fatal flaws.

The Taliban got the chance to serve their people and did well, but then made some BAD decisions in a fit of arrogance and pride.

Leaders get very few chances to serve their people and not many chances to make mistakes.

Now they have alienated a large number of Pakistanis. As they retaliate more they will alienate MORE and MORE Pakistanis.

It now no longer matters if it “helps” U.S. or not.

The Taliban have made a mistake and this will become an unrecoverable mistake for them as the situation is now out of their control.

The U.S. may have employed the Tehreek-e-Taliban to provoke the conflict with Pakistan (Abdullah Mehsud was released from Guantanamo by the U.S.), however the Taliban have made a mistake of NOT condemning attacks against Pakistan and for allying themselves with the TT.

The reality is that the Taliban have been taken over by the Arab fighters. They have to pay to hire poor village youths to act as ground troops – they are paid salaries (reportedly of Rs. 15,000 per month).

The Taliban have gone from being a group seen positively to a group seen as believing in wanton violence on human beings if they do not acquiesce to the Taliban’s demands.

They have gone from an idealistic outfit to a tyrannical self-absorbed outfit which bases it’s power on FEAR.

Links:
Advice to a Young Taliban

2/3 Swat refugee camps – TV One – May 7, 2009

Wikipedia – Kharijites
Wikipedia – Abdul Wahhab
Wikipedia – Wahhabi
Wikipedia – Salafi

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  1. Whats that nonsense?..I am not wahabi or anything near to any fucking sect…and why the fuck i would like killing of innocents civilians?…But the faggots or ock suckers of anglos like you surely do..!!!!

    leo

    May 8, 2009 at 7:09 am

  2. Ok, to keep it simple. As a leader you only have the option of doing a few set of things.

    If you kill all the ones you want to kill, then who will you give the reigns of power too. In that vacuum you will be left with the Tehreek-e-Taliban (a Wahhabi group which has used “Takfir” in the past to justify action against the Islamic state thus weakening it for invasion by outside powers).

    The answer is that everybody should have stayed cool.

    The Tehreek-e-Taliban by going against the Pakistan state EXACERBATED the situation for themselves – a poor strategic move.

    What can one say if the TT is intent on screwing their own situation by picking too many enemies at once.

    The TT actions have opened up a one-way street now, as Pakistan now has no option but to deal with the threat to the state.

    Right now, the western powers have all the tools at their disposal. THey can pressurize Pakistan directly.

    Or they can use the Tehreek-e-Taliban (directly or indirectly by provoking them) to pressurize Pakistan.

    So the “pro-Anglo” are not just the ones you think.

    Also any chaos in Pakistan will help the U.S. make the case that “give us the nuclear weapons” you have an unstable country.

    The question to ask is “what role is the TT playing in all this ?”.

    Also who are you supporting if you excuse the TT’s actions as if they are “bholay” or “nannay bachhay”.

    pwyoutube

    May 8, 2009 at 7:47 am

  3. “The TI actions have opened up a one-way street now, as Pakistan now has no option but to deal with the threat to the state.”

    The peace deal had taken taliban to a hault and things were coming back to normal.Its all propaganda that they were attacking after deal to sabotage the deal…the best option would have been to let it stay that way for a while.But no within a week the troops were moved at behest of anglo american pressure.There is no fucking independent foreign policy of pakistan.These crooks and stooges in government cant come up with anything brilliant and that military option they are using would prove to be a disaster and would only stregthen further divisions.A compelte failure i would say.Which party you follow?..MQM?…nawaz sharif or you are a jayala?…lol

    leo

    May 8, 2009 at 7:59 am

  4. We have had a history of foreign powers supporting “religious parties” in Pakistan.

    In the 1960s, the U.S. supported the Jamaat-e-Islami (possibly as a bulwark against Communism, but then WHICH country wouldn’t want the ability to influence a party in another country which they could get to do “dharna”, create chaos whenever they wanted to).

    The U.S. used to have pamphets published by the JI printing press shops and then BURN them in the USIS (US Info Service) building – it was an elaborate way to pay them hefty fees.

    You find the similar pattern in how VOA is showing programs on Geo and AAJ TV. It gives them a legitimate way to OVERPAY for airtime.

    So look beyond the few actors the TV channels identify as “agents of the U.S.”.

    It is in the interest of Pakistan to keep things stable – sure there should be improvement on feudalism etc. – however right now there are a lot of factors against Pakistan.

    The LAST thing we needed was the Tehreek-e-Taliban to pressurize Pakistan to take action against them. That is, they were not interested in any “Peace Deal” or “Nizam-e-Adl” – their main agenda seems to be to create chaos and a climate of uncertainty.

    Which the foreign powers can then use to pressurize Pakistan.

    Do you know how easy it is to have an Israel appear as an Arab in Pakistan (look up their history). You can have foreign groups funding these groups within Pakistan.

    At one time Israel supported Hamas in order to create a “counterweight” to Arafat. That got out of their hands eventually and Iran got into the act also.

    But this is just to make you alert to the fact that there are many more complexities, and the country leaders have to consider all these when they decide what to do.

    Also one thing to keep in mind is – Pakistanis may wish that “America did this”. But you cannot beat up your own countrymen for what U.S. is doing.

    Also in a lot of the things that “Pakistan is doing” you will note that U.S. could do it without Pakistan help anyway.

    In some cases there is misreporting as well – that Pakistan sent loads of Pakistanis to Guantanamo. If you read in detail you will find that they did not send any such Pakistanis. Most Pakistanis in Guantanamo were captured in Afghanistan.

    The Aafia Siddiqui case is also not as simple as it seems. He own husband has contradicted the story pushed forward by her sister. And said that things are more complex. According to news reports her husband has said the photo which shows her in miserably state was from the time he had an argument with her and was taken while she was sleeping:

    http://sanasaleem.com/2009/03/21/forgotten-sister-afia/
    http://www.thenews.com.pk/print3.asp?id=20404
    Dr Aafia Siddiqui’s husband breaks his silence after six years
    Wednesday, February 18, 2009
    He added that Dr Fowzia had similarly threatened him several years ago by taking a picture of Aafia while she was asleep after she injured her upper lip (by a milk bottle)†in an accident. Dr Fowzia warned Amjad that if he tried to divorce Aafia, she would use the picture against him alleging him to be an abusive husband. “It was made to appear in the picture that Aafia was badly injured. Today, the same picture is being circulated in the media to claim that Aafia was tortured for years in Bagram,” he revealed.

    Pak govt both under Musharraf and now has made some mistakes, however there is a concerted effort in media to make things worse as well. Geo takes big money from Indian channels for showing IPL (by getting exclusive rights and maybe getting paid off by getting a discount on the license fees).

    So all sorts of things going on. Things are not as simple.

    pwyoutube

    May 8, 2009 at 7:59 am

  5. Your point about “letting the Tehreek-e-Taliban be” is all very idealistic.

    But why do they shoot Pakistani officials when they enter their area ?

    You find no pity for those people being killed ?

    Why is your consideration for human being one-directional ?

    Does it not mystify you that HOW can they claim “support” in Swat, if Swat is an overwhelming ANP (a secular party) vote base ?

    pwyoutube

    May 8, 2009 at 8:20 am

  6. I think you are trying to look for a solution only in ONE direction even when the predominant evidence points to the other direction.

    For how long can you pretend to presume that the Tehreek-e-Taliban is actually a friend of Pakistan ?

    Or for that matter of Swat.

    pwyoutube

    May 8, 2009 at 8:22 am

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